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	<title>Comments on: Green Acre: Let&#8217;s Make Papercrete!</title>
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		<title>By: Mikey Sklar</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-106002</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey Sklar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cement plants are so common that it is rarely shipped over 200 miles. As you pointed out California has 11 cement plants. I have two both of which are within 100 miles of my house. I also have a excellent clay resource about 10 miles away. It took me a while to find clay that was high enough quality and in significant quantity for me to use. Finally I can reduce my cement usage, but it takes work. 

I think it is important with papercrete to not get too hung up on the CO2 levels of the building materials. If we are talking about dwellings (not fences) the amount of energy required to cool and heat the structure quickly heads towards zero if the walls are thick enough. This is a enormous amount of CO2 reduction compared to a standard home. The amount of CO2 saved each year will dwarf the amount of CO2 required to build the structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cement plants are so common that it is rarely shipped over 200 miles. As you pointed out California has 11 cement plants. I have two both of which are within 100 miles of my house. I also have a excellent clay resource about 10 miles away. It took me a while to find clay that was high enough quality and in significant quantity for me to use. Finally I can reduce my cement usage, but it takes work. </p>
<p>I think it is important with papercrete to not get too hung up on the CO2 levels of the building materials. If we are talking about dwellings (not fences) the amount of energy required to cool and heat the structure quickly heads towards zero if the walls are thick enough. This is a enormous amount of CO2 reduction compared to a standard home. The amount of CO2 saved each year will dwarf the amount of CO2 required to build the structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth V</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-105962</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just looking through online literature, it looks like most sources figure a 1 to 1 ratio, lbs Portland Cement to lbs CO2 released. (I think CA. as 11 coal-fired power plants for concrete production alone.) With packaging and shipping, the carbon footprint will up from 1 to 1. How much? I don't know, but cement isn't light. As for using the local resource, I'm in full agreement. The paper-adobe mix sounds like a great deal for those in the SW. As for the hardware store being a "local resource," I'd check on where the concrete is coming from originally. The the transport of the constituent components of the concrete to the plant and then from the plant to the store could make the impact much longer than the five miles you drove to get there. Again, a comparative life-cycle analysis of options could provide a clear perspective of the real impacts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looking through online literature, it looks like most sources figure a 1 to 1 ratio, lbs Portland Cement to lbs CO2 released. (I think CA. as 11 coal-fired power plants for concrete production alone.) With packaging and shipping, the carbon footprint will up from 1 to 1. How much? I don&#8217;t know, but cement isn&#8217;t light. As for using the local resource, I&#8217;m in full agreement. The paper-adobe mix sounds like a great deal for those in the SW. As for the hardware store being a &#8220;local resource,&#8221; I&#8217;d check on where the concrete is coming from originally. The the transport of the constituent components of the concrete to the plant and then from the plant to the store could make the impact much longer than the five miles you drove to get there. Again, a comparative life-cycle analysis of options could provide a clear perspective of the real impacts.</p>
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		<title>By: mikey sklar</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-105679</link>
		<dc:creator>mikey sklar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CO2 footprint to create a 94lb bag of Portland cement is about 25lbs. If you want to add in packaging and shipping let's just round it out to 1lb of CO2 for every pound of Portland cement. Put this in perspective with every gallon of fuel you burn is about 18lbs of CO2.

If you would like to skip the Portland cement that is possible. I have been removing it from my mixes. You can use a paper, clay, and lime mix also known as padobe. I have been experimenting with this for infill to a rebar structure. Keep in mind that lime is also a CO2 hog requiring even more energy to be cooked down.

In the end it just comes down to 'what is your local resource?' hauling clay from 60 miles away will do more damage than buying Portland cement from your local hardware store within 5 miles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CO2 footprint to create a 94lb bag of Portland cement is about 25lbs. If you want to add in packaging and shipping let&#8217;s just round it out to 1lb of CO2 for every pound of Portland cement. Put this in perspective with every gallon of fuel you burn is about 18lbs of CO2.</p>
<p>If you would like to skip the Portland cement that is possible. I have been removing it from my mixes. You can use a paper, clay, and lime mix also known as padobe. I have been experimenting with this for infill to a rebar structure. Keep in mind that lime is also a CO2 hog requiring even more energy to be cooked down.</p>
<p>In the end it just comes down to &#8216;what is your local resource?&#8217; hauling clay from 60 miles away will do more damage than buying Portland cement from your local hardware store within 5 miles.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth V</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-105623</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, not sure about how "political" the consideration is among "greenies". For me, it's a matter of math: What the lowest long-term CO2 footprint? I'd love to see a lifecycle analysis comparing different building types. Would be complex, but better than guessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, not sure about how &#8220;political&#8221; the consideration is among &#8220;greenies&#8221;. For me, it&#8217;s a matter of math: What the lowest long-term CO2 footprint? I&#8217;d love to see a lifecycle analysis comparing different building types. Would be complex, but better than guessing.</p>
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		<title>By: Geo</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-105618</link>
		<dc:creator>Geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While cement may not be politically correct among the greenies, if you factor in its longevity it really is environmentally responsible. If you build a concrete house like this: www.monolithic.com or www.aidomes.com and it last centuries while a straw bale can rot out in years or decades which is the more environmentally responsible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While cement may not be politically correct among the greenies, if you factor in its longevity it really is environmentally responsible. If you build a concrete house like this: <a href="http://www.monolithic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolithic.com</a> or <a href="http://www.aidomes.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.aidomes.com</a> and it last centuries while a straw bale can rot out in years or decades which is the more environmentally responsible?</p>
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		<title>By: Seth V</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-105604</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been trying to find the best option for a privacy fence between my house and the school next door. I'm looking for both visual and sound deadening as there are lots of service trucks that come in and out of the school. I've considered earthbags, a strawbale fence, rammed earth, and a soil-filled fence. I love the idea of papercrete in terms of cost and labor, and it seems like it would create a great sound barrier, but I'm wondering what alternatives there are to the concrete itself. I know everything has it's pros and cons, but something to put into the cost/benefit calculation of a material like this is the CO2 footprint of concrete.

"Roughly 5 to 10 percent of global CO2 emissions are related to the manufacture and transportation of cement, a major ingredient of concrete." 

From: Industry scrambles to find a 'greener' concrete"

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0312/p14s01-stgn.html

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to find the best option for a privacy fence between my house and the school next door. I&#8217;m looking for both visual and sound deadening as there are lots of service trucks that come in and out of the school. I&#8217;ve considered earthbags, a strawbale fence, rammed earth, and a soil-filled fence. I love the idea of papercrete in terms of cost and labor, and it seems like it would create a great sound barrier, but I&#8217;m wondering what alternatives there are to the concrete itself. I know everything has it&#8217;s pros and cons, but something to put into the cost/benefit calculation of a material like this is the CO2 footprint of concrete.</p>
<p>&#8220;Roughly 5 to 10 percent of global CO2 emissions are related to the manufacture and transportation of cement, a major ingredient of concrete.&#8221; </p>
<p>From: Industry scrambles to find a &#8216;greener&#8217; concrete&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0312/p14s01-stgn.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0312/p14s01-stgn.html</a></p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: mikey sklar</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-96662</link>
		<dc:creator>mikey sklar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes that is a typo.

Replace "part cement" with "Portland cement"

We are experimenting with new recipes made from lime, clay, and paper. No cement or sand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes that is a typo.</p>
<p>Replace &#8220;part cement&#8221; with &#8220;Portland cement&#8221;</p>
<p>We are experimenting with new recipes made from lime, clay, and paper. No cement or sand.</p>
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		<title>By: Geo</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-96660</link>
		<dc:creator>Geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said:

The new recipe is:
- 80lbs of paper
- 40lbs of paper cement

Paper cement? Did you mean 40lbs of cement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said:</p>
<p>The new recipe is:<br />
- 80lbs of paper<br />
- 40lbs of paper cement</p>
<p>Paper cement? Did you mean 40lbs of cement?</p>
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		<title>By: Truth or Consequences, New Mexico: Land of Pioneers at Ryan Is Hungry</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-75215</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth or Consequences, New Mexico: Land of Pioneers at Ryan Is Hungry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some of you might remember, we traversed through T or C last year and taped a bunch with Mikey and Wendy of Green Acre Hotsprings. On our way over to Virginia, we have stopped by again to catch up and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] some of you might remember, we traversed through T or C last year and taped a bunch with Mikey and Wendy of Green Acre Hotsprings. On our way over to Virginia, we have stopped by again to catch up and [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey Sklar</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-53233</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey Sklar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kim,

We do not prep the paper at all before it goes in the mixer. In this video we are tearing the paper, but we don't even do that now. If there is enough water the mixer can easily shred the paper without assistance or extra preperation. The magazine spines and phone books can all be used as is. We have found two cases where we prefer not to use any books with spines.

1. When shooting papercrete (we use a big air compressor and a hopper). The spines clog up the hopper.

2. When pumping papercrete. (we use a 3" trash pump). The spines might be able to clog the pump, so we only use newspaper when pumping.

Although many types of paper can be used. I highly recommend securing waste newspaper sources. Newspaper is a weak fiber that breaks down easily with minimal amount of energy. Phonebooks, magazines, and cardboard can work, but they will add time and energy to your project. You will get the strongest most cohesive mix from straight newspaper.

Some relevant links:

Youtube video of papercrete being pumped:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhoScNNYNQI

Youtube video of papercrete being sprayed on a shipping container:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DJZrrh8AVc

Youtube video of papercrete being sprayed on papercrete fence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zOoKBgZ_8E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kim,</p>
<p>We do not prep the paper at all before it goes in the mixer. In this video we are tearing the paper, but we don&#8217;t even do that now. If there is enough water the mixer can easily shred the paper without assistance or extra preperation. The magazine spines and phone books can all be used as is. We have found two cases where we prefer not to use any books with spines.</p>
<p>1. When shooting papercrete (we use a big air compressor and a hopper). The spines clog up the hopper.</p>
<p>2. When pumping papercrete. (we use a 3&#8243; trash pump). The spines might be able to clog the pump, so we only use newspaper when pumping.</p>
<p>Although many types of paper can be used. I highly recommend securing waste newspaper sources. Newspaper is a weak fiber that breaks down easily with minimal amount of energy. Phonebooks, magazines, and cardboard can work, but they will add time and energy to your project. You will get the strongest most cohesive mix from straight newspaper.</p>
<p>Some relevant links:</p>
<p>Youtube video of papercrete being pumped:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhoScNNYNQI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhoScNNYNQI</a></p>
<p>Youtube video of papercrete being sprayed on a shipping container:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DJZrrh8AVc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DJZrrh8AVc</a></p>
<p>Youtube video of papercrete being sprayed on papercrete fence:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zOoKBgZ_8E" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zOoKBgZ_8E</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kim S</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-53079</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great info.  I've got some paper questions. I'm curious if you prep the paper in any way before putting it in the mixer.  Do you remove the spines of magazines?  Rip the phone books into smaller pieces? Take great care to remove staples, etc.?  Do magazines work as well as old newspapers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great info.  I&#8217;ve got some paper questions. I&#8217;m curious if you prep the paper in any way before putting it in the mixer.  Do you remove the spines of magazines?  Rip the phone books into smaller pieces? Take great care to remove staples, etc.?  Do magazines work as well as old newspapers?</p>
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		<title>By: James R</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-22710</link>
		<dc:creator>James R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions.  My interest here is to use papercrete as insulation on an existing concrete basement wall.  As I live in Canada I have to insulate against cold.  There are a few alternatives available to me but none are particularly attractive.  With that in mind I am going to attempt to use papercrete as either a spray on coating or use a technique called harling.  As well I have an idea for using papercrete in place of a traditional poured concrete floor and surface that with a clay flooring.  If I get really ambitious I will film the entire debacle so my eventual grandchildren with have something to laugh over.  Thanks again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions.  My interest here is to use papercrete as insulation on an existing concrete basement wall.  As I live in Canada I have to insulate against cold.  There are a few alternatives available to me but none are particularly attractive.  With that in mind I am going to attempt to use papercrete as either a spray on coating or use a technique called harling.  As well I have an idea for using papercrete in place of a traditional poured concrete floor and surface that with a clay flooring.  If I get really ambitious I will film the entire debacle so my eventual grandchildren with have something to laugh over.  Thanks again</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey Sklar</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-22654</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey Sklar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

The tool we use to spray papercrete is a device called the "tirolessa sprayer" it is available for $225 from http://ferrocement.net . We also use a large air compressor (6HP, 60 gal, 11CFM, 220V) and 100' of half inch hose. The combined cost of our spraying setup was just under $1000 for all items mentioned above.

We have sprayed papercrete to 1/2" thickness. If multiple layers of expanded metal lath were used we could go to many feet of thickness. The lath can get expensive fast. 

We have experienced the same as yourself as far as applying papercrete to a concrete surface. Our solution was to use old latex paint. This is the same paint we used paint the interior of our home 5 months before. We just added a cup or two of old latex paint to each 5 gallon batch of papercrete and mixed it in place with a handrill and egg beater end.

I've just finished sealing our 300' fence of papercrete by using a elastomeric roof sealer paint. It was a expensive endeavor at $90 for each 5 gallon bucket. However, I believe our fence and stucco will survive for decades due to this investment. 

We are going to try mixing a cactus called "Prickly Pear" tomorrow and see if we can use that as sealant. Several southwest based green builders and natives that have inhabited the land for centuries have used this cactus to block out moisure and as a cement alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>The tool we use to spray papercrete is a device called the &#8220;tirolessa sprayer&#8221; it is available for $225 from <a href="http://ferrocement.net" rel="nofollow">http://ferrocement.net</a> . We also use a large air compressor (6HP, 60 gal, 11CFM, 220V) and 100&#8242; of half inch hose. The combined cost of our spraying setup was just under $1000 for all items mentioned above.</p>
<p>We have sprayed papercrete to 1/2&#8243; thickness. If multiple layers of expanded metal lath were used we could go to many feet of thickness. The lath can get expensive fast. </p>
<p>We have experienced the same as yourself as far as applying papercrete to a concrete surface. Our solution was to use old latex paint. This is the same paint we used paint the interior of our home 5 months before. We just added a cup or two of old latex paint to each 5 gallon batch of papercrete and mixed it in place with a handrill and egg beater end.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just finished sealing our 300&#8242; fence of papercrete by using a elastomeric roof sealer paint. It was a expensive endeavor at $90 for each 5 gallon bucket. However, I believe our fence and stucco will survive for decades due to this investment. </p>
<p>We are going to try mixing a cactus called &#8220;Prickly Pear&#8221; tomorrow and see if we can use that as sealant. Several southwest based green builders and natives that have inhabited the land for centuries have used this cactus to block out moisure and as a cement alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: James R</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-22595</link>
		<dc:creator>James R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate the videos and information you have put out there for the rest of us to use.  I have a couple of questions for you, if you have sometime to answer them.  What is the name of the tool that you use to spray the papercrete?  To what thickness have you sprayed papercrete, or to what thickness do you think you could spray it to? I have worked with stucco for a number of years and have found that it will release from a concrete surface if the surface is not properly prepared, have you had this problem?  My solution has been to buff up the concrete surface with a grinder and use Elmer's glue in the mix.  I suppose a person could use a wheat paste instead of white glue but I am wondering what will happen to that papercrete in a number of years.  I am especially concerned about the mixtures that area sprayed to the containers, due to the different rates of expansion the 2 products will experience.  Overall though a little loss of surfacing is a small hiccup.  Good luck and I hope to see more videos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate the videos and information you have put out there for the rest of us to use.  I have a couple of questions for you, if you have sometime to answer them.  What is the name of the tool that you use to spray the papercrete?  To what thickness have you sprayed papercrete, or to what thickness do you think you could spray it to? I have worked with stucco for a number of years and have found that it will release from a concrete surface if the surface is not properly prepared, have you had this problem?  My solution has been to buff up the concrete surface with a grinder and use Elmer&#8217;s glue in the mix.  I suppose a person could use a wheat paste instead of white glue but I am wondering what will happen to that papercrete in a number of years.  I am especially concerned about the mixtures that area sprayed to the containers, due to the different rates of expansion the 2 products will experience.  Overall though a little loss of surfacing is a small hiccup.  Good luck and I hope to see more videos.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Is Hungry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Is Hungry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mikey Sklar</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-14434</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey Sklar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 22:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truck certainly does use gas. We drive a maximum of 5 miles a day for the mixes. Usually much less than that. Thats about 95 lbs of CO2 being released into the atmosphere. The real gas hog is when we have to go and pickup paper or supplies which can be six mile trips. How many miles did you drive today?

We considered smaller electric motors, but burnout and torq were the primary concerns. Today all we shredded was damaged phone books. Many motors would have gagged trying to deal with shredding 80 phone books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truck certainly does use gas. We drive a maximum of 5 miles a day for the mixes. Usually much less than that. Thats about 95 lbs of CO2 being released into the atmosphere. The real gas hog is when we have to go and pickup paper or supplies which can be six mile trips. How many miles did you drive today?</p>
<p>We considered smaller electric motors, but burnout and torq were the primary concerns. Today all we shredded was damaged phone books. Many motors would have gagged trying to deal with shredding 80 phone books.</p>
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		<title>By: John Leeke</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-14432</link>
		<dc:creator>John Leeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 22:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PaperCrete--Neat!

If they are considering something as minor as the benefits of sequestration of carbon in the paper, they really must address the major waste of gasoline by hauling the whole truck and mixer about the yard. They could hook the mixer directly to a small gas engine, to the hub of the truck axle, or to a power takeoff.

YEAH, for taking the time and effort to make it yourself, instead of depending totally on the out-of-control corporateering building construction industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaperCrete&#8211;Neat!</p>
<p>If they are considering something as minor as the benefits of sequestration of carbon in the paper, they really must address the major waste of gasoline by hauling the whole truck and mixer about the yard. They could hook the mixer directly to a small gas engine, to the hub of the truck axle, or to a power takeoff.</p>
<p>YEAH, for taking the time and effort to make it yourself, instead of depending totally on the out-of-control corporateering building construction industry.</p>
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		<title>By: jonny goldstein</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-14353</link>
		<dc:creator>jonny goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 23:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More awesomeness. That looks fun. That's good that you are finding ways to do it easier and less expensively. The easier you can get the process, the more likely people will use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More awesomeness. That looks fun. That&#8217;s good that you are finding ways to do it easier and less expensively. The easier you can get the process, the more likely people will use it.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-14165</link>
		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 17:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikey and Wendy should have Green Acre opne to the public starting Fall 2007. we should all go stay and show support. It's in the middle of nowhere, in the desert, and that's part of the attraction. There is a new private spaceport about 30 minutes away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikey and Wendy should have Green Acre opne to the public starting Fall 2007. we should all go stay and show support. It&#8217;s in the middle of nowhere, in the desert, and that&#8217;s part of the attraction. There is a new private spaceport about 30 minutes away.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-14130</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 11:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pioneers.  The fence is looking nice.  You guys should visit them in a few years and check in on progress.  I'm sure you planned on it anyway.  These two make me want to start something.  I've said it before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pioneers.  The fence is looking nice.  You guys should visit them in a few years and check in on progress.  I&#8217;m sure you planned on it anyway.  These two make me want to start something.  I&#8217;ve said it before.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey Sklar</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-14092</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey Sklar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 23:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two comments:

1. I produced a short music video which gives another view of the mixer which maybe helpful. The mixer is simply a old truck axle with that has been tilted 90 degrees and had a lawn more blade bolted to it. There are many websites about papercrete describing how to build your own "tow behind third world mixer"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CGhD1ESUxPo

2. We have changed the recipe since the shooting over the video to lower our costs.

The new recipe is:
- 80lbs of paper
- 40lbs of paper cement

We do not pre-tear paper anymore. The mixer is good at that. We just use quite a bit of water. A dry mix does not vortex well enough to chop everything. Our mixes now take about 20 minutes to complete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two comments:</p>
<p>1. I produced a short music video which gives another view of the mixer which maybe helpful. The mixer is simply a old truck axle with that has been tilted 90 degrees and had a lawn more blade bolted to it. There are many websites about papercrete describing how to build your own &#8220;tow behind third world mixer&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=CGhD1ESUxPo" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=CGhD1ESUxPo</a></p>
<p>2. We have changed the recipe since the shooting over the video to lower our costs.</p>
<p>The new recipe is:<br />
- 80lbs of paper<br />
- 40lbs of paper cement</p>
<p>We do not pre-tear paper anymore. The mixer is good at that. We just use quite a bit of water. A dry mix does not vortex well enough to chop everything. Our mixes now take about 20 minutes to complete.</p>
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		<title>By: Milt Lee</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-14080</link>
		<dc:creator>Milt Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 22:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I love the papercreate thing.  I would love to see another piece that really gave us more detail about how it's made.  I didn't grasp the mixer, and I found that after watching it, I had a bunch of questions.  Here's a thought - show a piece like this to a few folks, have them write down their questions, then do another piece based on their questions.

Just a thought, 
Milt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I love the papercreate thing.  I would love to see another piece that really gave us more detail about how it&#8217;s made.  I didn&#8217;t grasp the mixer, and I found that after watching it, I had a bunch of questions.  Here&#8217;s a thought - show a piece like this to a few folks, have them write down their questions, then do another piece based on their questions.</p>
<p>Just a thought,<br />
Milt</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Is Hungry</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-14061</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Is Hungry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 16:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] See Mikey and Wendy in their other videos: [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Is Hungry</title>
		<link>http://ryanishungry.com/2007/05/10/green-acre-lets-make-papercrete/#comment-14060</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Is Hungry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 16:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Green Acre: The Ultimate Reuse- Shipping Containers for Hotel Rooms - 05.07.2007       QuickTime &#124; Flash &#124; iPod &#124; Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Green Acre: The Ultimate Reuse- Shipping Containers for Hotel Rooms - 05.07.2007       QuickTime | Flash | iPod | Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [&#8230;]</p>
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